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Avatar for Fusioncore21

Hey Jouki, I was wondering if you could explain how the offset parameter in the SoS datatable works, as I don't really know when to use it. Thanks!

Avatar for Jouki

Hi,

The SoS table is automatically creating a new week per row of SoS IDs. To keep the new row in the same week means you don't want this automatic shift to a new week, hence you set the offset = -1.

In an ideal case, the offset would work for other numbers too, but the code has bugs in this part (so it is as it is). However, since the -1 offset is working, technically you don't need other offset numbers.

So basically: today is week 27. On Wednesday you don't set the offset because Wednesdays are the "first day of week" in Dead By Daylight. So if you create a new SoS with new IDs that are within this week (like this daily event), you need to offset all other 6 days to make it the same week like it's the last one without offset (Which is always Wednesday).

Lemme know if it's clear or not :) Cheers

Avatar for RedStar76

So sorry. I wanted to update the spanish module and ended up updating the wrong one.

Avatar for Jouki

I got your intention. Just be careful next time - it can happen, although we should try to minimize the occurrence.

Avatar for DocOctober

I'd like to chime in here and urge you to really be more vigilant in the future, because it's much too common an occurrence. I see it happen way too often that there's a Spanish edit and then an undo right after.

Avatar for RedStar76

I usually realize the error myself and correct it immediately. This time someone called me and I didn't check that everything was fine. I'm not trying to avoid my responsibility, just to apologize. I myself realize how serious it is and I force myself to be more careful next time.

Avatar for Yupi101

Hey, I added the module for SoS, so the link in the documentation for Polish Shrine is outdated

Avatar for Jouki

Hello, ok I've adjusted the documentation according to changes. You can check if it's correct.

Avatar for Yupi101

Everything is fine, thanks

Avatar for RedStar76

Hi, Jouki. I'm trying to enable and use modules in spanish translation. How could I do it? I think I can't follow the instructions on the page https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Module:Documentation . Thanks.

Avatar for Yupi101

I can help you, just dm me on discord

Avatar for Jouki

Hey RedStar, it actually should be pretty possible by simply copying the Modules' content to your wiki and then use it the same way as we do on English wiki :). If you need help with anything contact me on Discord. Cheers!

Avatar for RedStar76

I tried to run the Survivors modules on the page https://deadbydaylight-es.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Module:Survivors&action=edit but there isn't code viewer while editing and the testing page didn't show me the expected result. I'll send you (Yupi101 and Jouki) a message when I have enough time :) I hope you also have time available at that time. Thanks!

Avatar for Jouki

Yeah I see the problem, ok let me try to solve it (hopefully) today as it's wiki settings issue :)

Avatar for Yupi101

The problem is that there's a lack of proper extensions. I had the same problem and it took me a whole day of messaging and further research to figure it out.

Avatar for DocOctober

ILeonx asked me if I could edit the new background to fade into the background blue like the old one used to do with the green. I'll do that and add it then.

Avatar for ILeonx

And after that, please change the design on all other wikis too

Avatar for Jouki

I've made some essential changes with green >> blue transformation. I'm going to change the wallpaper a bit in its size (4k screen support), scroll fading and bit of blur but I'm not sure if I do it right tomorrow or even whenever. In other words you can continue with it.

Avatar for DocOctober

Alright, I'll do the 1080p background with the "fading into background colour" part and upload it.

Avatar for DocOctober

Seems like you knew what values to change, it looks gorgeous.

Avatar for DocOctober

I forgot to change the file links to the icons. It's been repaired.

Avatar for Jouki

no problem, I just repair it easiest way ;)

Avatar for DocOctober

yes, but those "easy ways" are exactly the ones I've been deleting to clean up the links ^^'

Avatar for Jouki

look, do whatever you want to, do not take it in a bad way if I undo some of your changes. If you forgot on something you get notice about that (by my undoing) that something stopped work. ;) btw. the best way to change something is make new functional version of it and then attach the old version to the newer one (or delete the old one; it depends what are you up to). the main rule is If it's possible make it allways available without errors/bugs :) btw2 thx for your work

Avatar for DocOctober

I didn't take it the bad way, no worries. I just wanted you to know why I deleted them in the first place and with the others, there was no error. Just in case of those two links I forgot to change the reference links onto them.

Avatar for DocOctober

Trivia by pure definition is "bits of information often of little importance", not " "more in-game technical information"

Rest assured though that any information found in-game is added to the wiki.

In case of Michael's middle name, that is information from people who know the franchise, not from the game itself. As I understand the word "Trivia" exactly the way I mentioned above, this information is of little importance, but might be interesting to know without having to watch the movies or read through that wiki. It's trivial information hence why it fits into Trivia.

I'm sorry about my earlier comment, but I was annoyed about your interpretation of the word "Trivia", because I disagree on that one. I really don't know where you get that definition from. If that's how all Wikis do it, then that's my bad. But otherwise, I stick to official definitions of words.

Regarding the bans, I did read your policy discussed with Reestv. I accept it for the most part, but find it quite lax depending on the severity of the vandalism. Way too many second chances IMO. If they are repeated offenders with repeated severity, I would personally advocate to skip some inbetween ban durations. It hasn't happened so far though.

Avatar for Jouki

ok I admit the definition of trivia, you were right. I didn't double checked my informations so I'm sorry for that. About the bans, well I would personally ban it for 14day/month/perma but we can't be so "cruel" even when I would like to. This is because many people are punished enough with small punishment to get know the wiki is patrolled and they shouldn't vandal it. Sometimes they don't even know they change something because they just accidently click on an editing button and would like to get out as soon. People get lost and start to panic. They actually didn't mean something to break. on the other hand if there's clearly evidence that the user/IP systematically and espacially repeatedly damages pages we can skip the "ban time". (basically what I've said in discussion that I sent)

Avatar for DocOctober

Of course I wouldn't ban someone for god knows how long just for a misclick. The bans I issued so far however have all been for obvious vandalism which clearly weren't just "misclicks". Depending on how they vandalised it or how much damage they did, I find a 1-day ban not effective enough. Bans need to "hurt" to be successful, 1 day doesn't hurt anyone so I usually gave a minimum of 3 days for vandalism that wasn't just replacing one word with the name of a sex-toy or the likes and gave 1 week bans for vandalising several pages with more than just one word, they sometimes replaced whole paragraphs if not the entire page with expletive content or gibberish.

Personally, I would go 3 day for minor vandalism (replacing words with expletives and such), 1 week for doing that on several pages, 1 month for repeated offence, and perma ban for yet another repeated offence.

And yes, I've seen how you and Rees decided to handle it, but I don't see what obliges us to follow that specific rule set. There's no official policy on bans. I also don't see why we couldn't theoretically use the system you just mentioned. I see no reason why we couldn't (theoretically) be that cruel if it's not applied to obvious misclicks and mistakes.

Avatar for Jouki

well that's because we are not machines and we can mistake with our decision. Additionaly this is not my property it's our property and I don't want to turn it to our dictatorship site (I have familiar experience with that so I have learnt). We gotta be open and take some uncomfortable situation as a part of our job on the site (including repeatedly undo vandal changes). The other reason is because of possbility of shared IP - just because your little brother is... ehm little stoopid doesn't mean you have to be punshied because of him there's a small chance that could make enough of time to cut the brother out of the computer or site atleast. Bigger situation some flat houses have shared IP so the same problem don't have to be banning only a one guy or family but whole flat. I know this is not much effectient but still better a bit than absolutely nothing :) (this ppls could get potentionaly scared of ban and leave it be).

the one day ban is for cases that we are not certain if this is vandalism or not.

and the obligation can be the fact that we sould follow the same set of rules as others ;) would be the right thing (and if something has been agreed time ago, others should follow this rules too. if someone has objection we can discuss it)

Avatar for DocOctober

I agree, but as I've said before, the bans I've issued so far have been for obvious vandalism. None of that was a "misclick".

Avatar for DocOctober

I also looked at some examples of past bans and their durations before I ever banned someone, I don't punish people unreasonably. I base them on amount of damage done, severity and repeated offence.

Avatar for DocOctober

You're bugged by a change that happened almost a month ago? Seriously?

Avatar for Jouki

I am not, the point is to not to do the same thing (that is wrong) again and take it as a precedent pattern. The only thing I could be bugged about is your not-assertive behaviour to me with your degradative question on me. Do not forget the wiki is first (not our privileges), if there's anything what is done wrong on wiki, the best way how to prevent it is going to a source and explain the point what have had been done wrong.

I saw that conversation so I explain how it should be right that's all I don't give a damn how old it is ;) As I said the only thing I'm doing is to prevent to create some sort of misinformation (or misinterpretation), wrong use of terms or not giving all information that's known no matter how old it is.

Same as the rule how to ban ppl. again - I just saw the conversation and give the information that there's a procedure how we ban on the wiki and because I didn't see any previous interactions with bans from you I gave you how it should be done (in case if you don't do it by our agreement), nothing more nothing less.

Avatar for DocOctober

The Shrine displays the wrong cost for Alert, should be 750 IS. Tried fixing it myself, but it didn't change anything.

Avatar for Jouki

well it wasn't designed to making changes so often. If it will be way too much in future it could changed to "ratio" 1:1

Avatar for DocOctober

Thought as much. I might look into making a new system (if I really have too much time to kill, that is ^^)

Avatar for Jouki

it's gonna be waste of time imo, when the system works, someone just add it in wrong order. and the only change would be needed is delete /3 part from the template

Avatar for DocOctober

It's done. It was quite easy actually, I just removed all the "ifexpr ceil" expression and added all 48 unique values to the several Sos Templates. They were the main culprit for the mess of the Shrine. The original creator may have had good intentions with keeping the Templates simple, but in turn made it a mess to edit, especially as it changes weekly.

Sometimes, saving time in the past just wastes more time in the future.

Avatar for DocOctober

All that needs to be done in the future when a new Chapter releases is add the 6 new perks as unique values, and change the cost of the former Chapter's perks from 750 to 550.

Avatar for DocOctober

I might ask Reestv then. Anyways, the overhaul is completed (and it's been a lot of work, no wonder you couldn't get yourself to do it).

Avatar for DocOctober

Any chance that I might be granted Admin rights so that I could delete obsolete pages myself when I do overhauls like the Patch Notes?

Avatar for Jouki

well, I've got rights quite recently and I dunno who to get know you would like to admin rights. Still you can give me a list and I will delete them :) (or you can just redirect them on new pages which is good way too because redundancy is not bad especially for patch notes pages)

Avatar for DocOctober

Nvm, I managed to find it :)

Avatar for Jouki

ok I've checked it and it seems everything is alright. I didn't check if it fits with a game though

Avatar for DocOctober

Claudette's Self-Care only costs 550 IS in this week's Shrine, not 750 IS. I would change it myself, but I have no idea how to edit templates.

Avatar for Jouki

thank you for your feedback. The cost should be fixed for now (it may change the cost of the other perks of claudette morel to wrong cost. If so, lemme know).

Avatar for Shylokvakarian

Ace Visconti's Open Handed perk template has a typo in the description ("reanges")

Avatar for Jouki

thank you for your feedback. The spelling is fixed

Avatar for TimeMonster

hello. Sorry dude, but we need your help again. There is new perks, idk how tp make commands like {pl|adrenaline|v=2} so... and decisev strike was buffed again.

Avatar for TimeMonster

i have problem with this {pl|monitor & abuse|v=1} it dos't do anything (but idk where to change that) currently i adding new perks, so there will be {{pl|overcharge|v=1} and {{pl|overwhelming presence|v=1}

Avatar for Jouki

<nowiki>first you need to keep they syntax right, you have {{template} instead of {{template}} the second thing is if the result is something like "wrong description" it means the template didn't find the name you put as a parameter in the template: {{template|parameter}}. so basically template (pl and so others) {{pl|monitor & abuse|v=X}} gotta have perks name in the template. the name must be in lower case and exact as page name. as you can see monitor & abuse is working</nowiki>

Avatar for Jouki

by the way you have to add the values into the template:pl if you want to use the template to display some values

Avatar for TimeMonster

THX. Now i know how to make a perk deck. anyway. Have a nice day

Avatar for Jouki

no problem, glad to help. Have a nice day too :)

Avatar for ILeonx

Hey! We need to change the colors of the values because there are no more ultra rare perks :) But I don't know how to do that.

Avatar for Jouki

oh I didn't get it before. I though they've made BasicLevel 3/4/4 (instead of previous 3/4/5), I'm gonna undo the changes I've made in templates

EDIT: oh, you've already done it, thank you :D

Avatar for ILeonx

You are right. Perks now rare - very rare - very rare. My self-care is green (rare) at level one. Level two is purple (very rare) and the next one MUST be purple too... Don't know why.

Avatar for N turbo

How do you get the different templates to display proporly? I decided to try and use those even though I already had a table for Bill's abilities but it was done manually and looking at the other perks, none of the stuff I had to put in was put in on theirs.

Avatar for Jouki

As I said, you have to put it in these 3 templates. take a look on them and you will see how it's done with other perks. We don't do manual table because it's inefficient when you need change values or description. If you want me to help more accurately I need more describe what do you want me to explain.

Update #1: oh I see. Sorry I didn't notice you've tried it before. Ok so now you just need to "update" the perk page. you just edit it (, preview it) and save it without any changes.

Avatar for N turbo

just did and completed left behind, I'll work on Bill's other 2 perks while I can maintain awakeness as it's like, 5:45 am right now

Update: Done, all 3 of Bill's unique perks are now in the template.

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